>> no, chuck hagel is. >> oh, hagel's been sworn in, okay. panetta, the essence of the democratic party, saying, these cuts are going to be a catastrophe. you've got, on the political right, somebody like bill kristol, editor of the we"weekl standard" saying exactly the same thing, that this is a danger to national security. so, they ought to fix it. if they don't fix it, i mean, the public is going to go, you know, find -- they're already -- >> i want -- we're going to talk about -- >> those of us who have known you for a long time, we know you're not going to be intimidated or threatened by any senior official at the white house. you've gone through a lot worse than this. but i want -- >> indeed. >> i want yo u to stick around. we've got some more to discuss, much more of our conversation with bob woodward right after this. [ whirring ] [ creaking ] [ male announcer ] trophies and awards lift you up. but they can also hold you back. unless you ask, what's next? [ zapping ] [ clang ] this is the next level of performance. the next level of i